the non-defense part of that makes up about $38 billion. guest: of the mandatory past to do with the program's beneficiaries are committed to receiving by law. host: if this happens, let's begin with what is not on the table. guest: military pay, veterans' benefits, a lot of what would be called social welfare programs, like food stamps, or the snap. a social security, medicare is exempt. there are also federal salaries that cannot be effected. host: there are a lot of cuts that would go through it sequestration happens, but what are some of the big ones that people would notice? guest: in october, a ranking member of the house committee had detailed projections. remember, agencies have been prohibited from acting them out in detail, so a lot of projections come from congress and interest groups. this house appropriations letter details above 24,000 jobs. talk about 3000 fbi employees. it talked about a head start programs -- 100,000 fewer children been involved -- and rolled. it took about women's health programs. about 45,000 low-income w